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Am I overanalyzing our economy in relation to jobs/rent in Portland? :O

Hi,

I know this question's asked on here in many forms, but I thought I'd start a new thread to be specific about my situation:

*I visited Portland about three months ago and fell in love with it on the first day. After an entire week there, my mind was still made up, so there's basically no doubt in my mind this is where I want to be. I gave plenty of consideration to different cities around the country.

*I've saved up $5,000 now. I like to think that 5k is enough of a safety net in case I can't find work immediately and can still use it to pay rent/etc. while I'm job hunting.

*My job experience is basically all related to software QA and data entry-oriented jobs now, and I have no degree. I'm more than willing to work for less than I'd make at most software jobs if I found something related to nearly any form of art, though I myself only have experience messing with music, writing and acting.

My main concerns are:

*The Job market. I'd heard from many sources even before the crash that there are next to no jobs in Portland, and it could only be worse now. As someone who looked hard for work in NYC and still constantly spent 4-6 months between jobs, it's really keeping me from feeling sure I have enough money saved up to move there. I had about five such situations where I was starving and out of work despite a decent resume and often applying to many jobs per day, one way or the other, yet taking forever to get any results at all, so I'm very cautious about how easy it would be to find work even in a far more laid-back, sparsely-populated city. Am I being way too overcautious? This leads me to...

*Rent. I'm basically looking for a reasonably cheap apartment(which to me is 500/month or cheaper,) preferably a studio, that's in a safe but no "upscale" neighborhood. I know this isn't that detailed an idea of what I want, but since I used to pay $500/mo for a tiny room in a mouse-infested apartment in Jersey City, I find rates for studios on Apartments.com hilariously low considering how much nicer the places look. So is it that easy to find a studio that doesn't look completely ghetto there for under $600? Just seems too good to be true!

In short, what I love about the place is how insanely friendly everyone is, the weather, the air quality, the music scene, the public transport(which puts NYC's ridiculously unreliable subway to shame times ten,) and a billion other things I'm sure.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Johnny

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You might contact a few of our temp agencies and consulting firms to put a toe in the water on the job market. At least then you will have an idea before you take the leap. I would think there is always some work for good IT and data entry people, but it is usually a matter of getting your foot in the door first. Let me know if you want a few agency names. This is how I got started when I moved to Portland years ago, and it worked out well for me.

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Domo arigato for the quick, thoughtful response! Yeah, I'm currently temping with Kelly Services for AllState here and while I'm not nuts about insurance companies, it's better than nothing and would be up there as well if I can't find something more art-oriented, or failing that, IT-oriented.

I'd definitely be very grateful for some agency names over there. Now I'm just looking to find out where to move before rooms/apts become too difficult to get ahold of(unless that's being exaggerated greatly.) The forums on that subject seem to have very mixed feedback.

See? I say people are friendly up there and they immediately offer help. Why can't most of the country be like this? :)

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Portland is just a good place :-) We attract like minded people, I guess. Yes, so it's been a while since I was temping, but here are some agencies (it's been years since I used one, so I can't vouch for them personally):
Monster link to Portland data entry listings
Volt
Ajilon
ATSI (staffs IT positions)
Kelly Services
Manpower

And...I don't know if you use LinkedIn.com, but that might not be a bad way to start building local business connections and contacts. Like I said, it seems like half the battle is getting your foot in the door someplace, and once you've proven yourself, lots more opportunities open up. So, if you are willing to temp a few jobs until you find the right "gig" to settle into--if it gets you to the city and lifestyle that you want, it really could make it worthwhile. I don't know what sort of art job you want to get into, but with a large and growing Portland creative class, again, I would think once you were here, and started meeting people and networking, that would become easier. IT jobs are probably better at paying the bills, though ;-) Or at least, paying the bills until you are settled and have more choices.

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Hey,

Thanks so much for all the instant help with this! This all looks good, and it's really just an issue of waiting until I feel I've saved up enough that I can't possibly have to move away from there should I go very long without work at any point after moving up there. I do hear you can't really be hired from out-of-state there on top of seeing some charts listing employment outlook in Portland as "very weak," but I might as well update my resume and start getting at least *remotely* testing the water. I just wish I could be there tomorrow morning instead of in 2-4 months, which is my estimate right now.

I do currently work for Kelly Services, and once worked for Volt for nearly a year, so that could be an easier ticket to employment than a lot of other options.

In my case, "art" mainly just means acting, no-budget filmmaking, and making music of many kinds(usually falling into indie rock/electronic somehow.) I don't expect a million-dollar contract right after I'm off the plane, but the scene there feels very genuine to me on a level I don't see in many places and if it'll click with me anywhere outside of Europe I'm sure it'll be here.

And yes, I'll probably put some effort into the IT jobs while I wait to become a rich, paid artist of whatever type, but I hope that doesn't require me having a degree yet because this is where I'd like to start going to school. :)

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You can usually get a job in IT with some technical certifications and a little experience (degree is helpful, but not always required). The MCP, MCSE, Comptia Network+ and basic developer or Sys Admin certifications would probably help you get your foot in the door even at a temp agency. You can usually study for these on your own, then go take the exam. Or, Portland Community College offers some courses that aren't as outrageously expensive as other schools. The job outlook for network engineers and software engineers is continued to be projected higher and higher, so it is not a bad thing to learn. Start with Network + (N+), and go from there...

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Haven't heard of these, but maybe they'd work for my field (I only did QA in IT, which was pretty basic software testing and sometimes required little more than playing games to measure average player movements or taking screenshots of different things, but did sometimes require a creative role, and this included in-game ads at one of my jobs.) I have no developer experience or anything like that, but it still looks better on my resume that I helped with QA on bestselling games than it would if I'd never done anything but enter missing zip codes into a website! :)

I'll dedicate some time to figuring out how those sites work and if they'll utilize my experience. Thanks another billion!

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I just joined here yesterday and am very impressed with how helpful the people are here. But I shouldn't be I'm originally from Oregon too, I miss it. I got relocated to FL five years ago and sure miss the progressive vibe of Oregon, as well as the mountains, the coast, Portland and Eugene.

I never lived in Portland, but it is where I want come go back to. If I could I'd already be there, but finances are tight. I'm working for Kelly too and thankful to have a job right now. I'll be working on online some extra income online after the holidays and hopefully be able to get that built up enough by Summer to move. By fall I hope to be in Portland Community Collage, for the basics to move on to an advanced degree.

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Well, good luck with that. I hope that now that I'll have saved up around $7k instead of my original intention of $3k which escalated to $5k I'll have enough to counter any temporary trouble I have finding work right away. The crash isn't making me any more certain it'll be easy, but I've already bought my plane ticket and am not at all regretting that. I want to live there badly enough that I'll do pretty much anything not to have to leave Portland.

One of my best friends lives in Tallahassee and despite coming from a very southern family in every sense of the word is the exception among them and doesn't belong there at all. He's stuck there so he doesn't risk losing a huge inheritance though so I see his reasoning I think.

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I'm be working on getting to the point where I don't have to find a job for income, so that I can live wherever I like, and that is Portland!

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ATSI group is good for Software type jobs - temp and temp to hire

It wouldn't hurt to sign up with more creative firms, like Aquent.com and RightBrainResource.com - if they don't handle your particular specialty, they will know an agency that does

Intel has *lots* of contractors/subcontractors out in Hillsboro - one is called CDI -
http://www.cdicorp.com/

Also post your resume on Dice.com - that will get recruiters calling you - my advice is only deal with local recruiters, never give them money, and a current resume/cover letter is all that they need.
Well caveat with CDI because i think they're headquartered in North Carolina

you *may* want to try Robert Half (rht.com) tho I've heard their practices are shady

And don't forget Craigslist :)

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Hadn't heard of most of those. Creative firms definitely sound good to me. Thanks!

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Have you considered a roommate? You and I are in the same boat and maybe we could help each other out for the first couple months while we both get settled up there. Just a thought.

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